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smartmom
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I seem to see a lot of stories about moms who switch to formula and live happily ever after. I've even read a few about mom's switching after giving inaccurate information. One mom was told to stop breastfeeding her baby that was jaundiced! It's this type of bad information that makes moms have guilt....because when they realized that they weaned for the wrong reason they feel even worse!

How about some stories about moms that battle through the bleeding nipples, mastitis, etc. and continued to breastfeed? How about some links to board certified lactation consultants on this website, so that mom's really can get the help they need to feed their babies they way THEY have chosen.

starina
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I'm currently nursing my second son, who is now nine months old. I had a lot of the typical obstacles to nursing: c-sections, unsupportive doctors, quite sore nipples for the first few weeks, had to go back to work after three months, have to make occasional business trips away from my baby. I'm proud to say that I persevered and nursed my first son for about 14 months and things are now going really well with nursing for the second. I found that the biggest factor for me was having supportive friends and family when I was trying to get things started. I'm currently in my sixth month of pumping at work and even though I pump in an electrical room/storage closet, you know what? It's not that bad. It gives me time alone at work to collect my thoughts and I know I'm doing something really meaningful to support my son's health and growth. My son actually does get some formula when I'm working, but we didn't introduce it until 3 months, when the breastfeeding was well established. By pumping at work, I maintain my supply so I can feed him full-time on the days I'm home. I'm hoping that the example I'm setting at work will help the two other women I work with who are pregnant and have expressed a desire to breastfeed their babies. It can be done!

starina
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Also, I just wanted to add something about one of the biggest fears that new breastfeeding moms have. I was very concerned with my first baby that he wasn't getting enough milk. In those early days, he would sometimes fuss after a feeding and I worried that it was because he was still hungry. My awesome pediatrician suggested that before I give him formula, that I bring him in for a few weight checks. Apparently, in the first few weeks, weight is an excellent measure (along with diaper contents) of whether a baby is getting enough milk. The vast majority of breastfed babies are getting just what they need. My son was just fussy and it cleared up in a few weeks as he matured. Meanwhile, the weigh-ins with the doctor showed that he was gaining the perfect amount of weight and that meant he was getting plenty of milk.

Rosie
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Since this board is funded by the International Formula Council, I think it's obvious that the only positive stories (which don't contain misinformation which serves their own purposes), will come from those posts made in this forum, or in the blog comments.

If truthful, helpful information were posted (say, showing where HCP advice sabotaged a mother's breastfeeding relationship), then they wouldn't be accomplishing their goal, which is to divide women into camps and fight amongst ourselves while they continue to make profits by helping all those "unfortunate women who are unable to breastfeed" by providing their substandard product.

jt203
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Isn't this hysterical that the formula companies website is being taken over by pro-breastfeeding women? I hope everyone goes through the blogs and notices that they are all posted by the two women who are paid to 'host ' this site. Every post contains the formula companies talking points. I have my doubts about the stories posted under "Our Stories". They are too perfectly written, and just so phony.
If anyone from Massachusetts wants to write a letter to protest the bill that is pending in the mass State Legislature, go to the Massachusetts Breastfeeding Coalition at: www.massbfc.org/pdf.H2257.pdf I bet they start blocking people like us from posting soon, or shut down this lame web site soon!
Let's innundate this site with pro breastfeeding moms!

ChrisT
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Wow - I guess the two things that I have found really amazing on the site are: 1) the "holier than thou" mentality that some of the posters have and 2) just how mean and nasty some of those same people get when they hide behind the web.

The reality is that we live in a country dedicated to principle of freedom – freedom of speech, freedom of choice. When my children were born, I choose to bottle feed them. The reasons are not important. What is important is that I made the decision – yes me.

badkitty
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ChrisT after reading your post, I read and reread all the posts on this site and have found nothing mean spirited in the least towards women who choose to bottle feed. If you made an informed educated decision, good for you! (and I really mean that, no sarcasm intended) The problem women have with this website is the misinformation it is providing the public that a) by eliminating formula bags, you take a way women's choice of how they want to feed their children and b) the fact that they are hiding behind this veil of a website touting to support women when really it is nothing more than a clever marketing ploy designed to manipulate women c) they think that women are stupid enough to swallow this mess whole. It's a slap in the face to women.

To those of us who have been made aware of the marketing tactics of these greedy corporate money machines, this is just another way to lull the public into thinking that how we feed our babies isn't one of the most important decisions we make. We are also frustrated at the deliberate lack of breastfeeding information women are provided by hospitals and doctors because of the financial incentives they get from formula companies and the fact that women are made to doubt their bodies ability to breastfeed.

Does formula have a place in society? Absolutely. However, I take umbrage to the fact that formula companies continue to ignore mandates from WHO that formula samples not be given out and that formula not be advertised, period. (including in America) They have become especially good at violating these mandates in third world countries where formula has been blamed for up to 1,500,000 infant deaths every year (that is not a made up number, it is coming from Unicef and WHO). Here is a link http://www.supportaamirraza.org/mycause.htm. You don't have to read the article, just scroll down the the Pakistani mother with her twins. It was on Unicefs website, but was archived sometime ago.

So, to make a long rant short, none of us have any problem with a woman making a truly informed educated decision with how she chooses to feed her baby. None of us are holier than thou, just passionate, and no one has been mean or nasty to any other woman on this board nor do any of us hide behind the website. If you were to meet us face to face, I promise each and everyone of us would say the same thing. I have spoken with many of my girlfriends about the benefits of breastfeeding and my views on the illegal tactics of the formula companies. If they still choose to formula feed, I may not agree, but I do not berate them for it. Would I prefer every baby be breastfed? Of course. I have seen the numerous benefits for my son and myself. I exclusively breastfed while working a full time job and it was worth every second. That is why I am so passionate. I hope this helps you understand why so many pro breastfeeding women are posting on a non breastfeeding website.
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eviltitnazilol
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Anyone else think that ChrisT is a formula company sock puppet? Same two comments posted all over this site, give me a break!

And I agree, the stories are disgustingly fake and so full of misinformation it makes my head spin!

As for me, I gave up with my first because I was young and uneducated. I regret still, 6 years later. My second was severely brain damaged and spent 2 weeks in the NICU. She's never had a drop of formula and is still nursing strong at 23 months! We had a rocky start but my determination and LLL made all the difference in the world. I have had multiple doctors tell me that they firmly believe she's doing so well thanks in no small part to my determination to breastfeed her!

songbh
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eviltitnazilol wrote:
Anyone else think that ChrisT is a formula company sock puppet? Same two comments posted all over this site, give me a break!

No, I don't think she's a formula company puppet or a fake persona. She's made exactly 2 posts in these forums, and she probably just isn't familiar enough with board etiquette to know that it's bad form to post the same statements in multiple places.

However, it is true that the basic structure of this website, since it is funded by the formula industry for the sole purpose of defending the unethical and greed-driven practice of marketing formula through hospitals, makes any pro-formula testimony sound suspect and less than credible. It's a shame that this means posters like ChrisT who are pleased with their experience using formula will find an even more skeptical audience here than they might on other, non-corrupt forums.

Eviltitnazilol and others, I suggest we refrain from casting aspersions at the integrity or intentions of any individual poster here. Let's give ChrisT and others the benefit of the doubt, engage them where possible with respect, reason, and compassion, and save our ire for the real opponent: the formula industry that is still trying to pull the wool over the eyes of good mothers.

Classic Claire
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"However, it is true that the basic structure of this website, since it is funded by the formula industry for the sole purpose of defending the unethical and greed-driven practice of marketing formula through hospitals..."

Well said.

I had a wonderful breastfeeding experience, and still am nursing my 17 month old son. I have had difficulties throughout from time to time... but I made a commitment to feed my son the way nature intended until as long as mutually desired... for his health. Despite a few issues... such as sore and cracked nipples in the first couple of weeks... and a couple of cases of mastitis... my son is thriving and I've been very happy with my experience. He's only had one, mild, cold in 17 months! I know it's because of breastfeeding.

ChrisT
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Comments like:

Anything that's worth doing isn't easy. Giving your child the best start to life and health is worth doing. That is, if you're dedicated to your child."

and

"eviltitnazilol]Anyone else think that ChrisT is a formula company sock puppet? Same two comments posted all over this site, give me a break! And I agree, the stories are disgustingly fake and so full of misinformation it makes my head spin!"

Validate my original post of "holier than thou" and "mean & nasty"

Songbh - I appreciate your comments

songbh
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ChrisT wrote:
Songbh - I appreciate your comments

Thank you, ChrisT -- it was kind of you to read through this thread again and respond with civility.

Can we have a conversation about the issue of formula advertising bags in hospitals and their detrimental effect on breastfeeding? I'm interested to hear your take on that issue, and I hope that you will listen to ours with an open mind.

Erin
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"Can we have a conversation about the issue of formula advertising bags in hospitals and their detrimental effect on breastfeeding? "

I'd like to be in on that conversation too, as it is what this website is really about. I don't know what the intention is of the authors of this site, but if it's pitting us against each other and letting our emotions take over so that we gloss over the real issue (the formula bags), then I'd say they are being somewhat successful at that. If that's their intent, then let's not let that happen!

alison
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Let's talk about formula marketing -- and also about how to change the system so that every mom who wants to breastfeed has the best possible chance of success.

Bags are only one (very important!) barrier to mothers who want to breastfeed. Formula companies court doctors and nurses, literally buying their loyalty with free gifts, meals, and medical books. Hospitals separate moms and babies for no reason, supplement without a medical indication, give pacifiers, and fail to connect mothers with resources when they go home. Insurance companies don't cover lactation consultants. Pediatricians and obstetricians don't know how to help nursing moms, and tell them "just give the baby a bottle." Grandmothers who bottle-fed their own babies tell their daughters / daughters-in-law, "Why don't you give the baby a bottle? He's hungry." Employers don't support moms to nurse when they go back to work.

The formula industry has no interest in fixing these problems -- because every time a mom successfully nurses her baby, they lose a sale. This web site has been carefully crafted to convince struggling moms that breastfeeding is just too difficult, messy, primitive, and inconvenient for them to bother -- and the solution is to give it up, and start using formula.

It's clear from the passion of the women who are posting here that they struggled against much more than formula company propaganda when they wanted to breastfeed. Rather than argue about whether people tried hard enough, let's harness that anger and disappointment to change the system. Then, we can transform our culture so that mothers who want to breastfeed can breastfeed, period.

For starters, write to your local hospital and tell them you want them to stop marketing infant formula to patients. For a sample letter, see www.banthebags.org. There's no shortage of information on infant formula available online, in magazines, and in the cases of formula that get shipped to new mothers without any request from them. If your pediatrician or OB gives out formula samples, ask why they are undermining breastfeeding. That's step one.

Then, write your U.S. Congressperson and tell them to support Carolyn Maloney's HR 2122, which would protect nursing moms from workplace discrimination: http://maloney.house.gov/index.php?option=com_issues&task=view_issue&issue=262&Itemid=35

If you work outside the home, work with human resources at your office to develop a lactation policy. Even if your kids are weaned and well-into elementary school, there are women having babies right now who would benefit if they came back to work knowing they could pump without a fight.

There will always be mothers who decide, after weighing the science and their own personal circumstances, that breastfeeding cannot work for them. When a mother makes that choice, we all need to respect her decision. Meanwhile, we can work to make sure that public circumstances -- like workplace discrimination, routine medical policies that undermine breastfeeding, deceptive formula marketing, etc -- don't push mothers who would otherwise choose to bresatfeed into the arms of the formula industry.

mommaz
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I breastfed both of my children for 10 months. I worked in a busy L&D and newborn nursery with my oldest. It was hard, but I always found some time to pump. My oldest had to go under phototherapy for jaundice because he couldn't poop. (He was eventually diagnosed with reflux). He received one bottle of formula and had problems going back to the breast. Infants use different muscles when bottle feeding than nursing so sometimes confusion will set in.

With my daughter, same scenario, in addition to finishing up my BSN. It was hard but I stuck to it and found the time to pump and maintain my breast milk supply. I am so glad that I persevered. If I had to do it all over again, I would do it the same way.

Just a note of encouragement to hang in there-YOU CAN DO IT!

barbdehn
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Here's a positive story: I just saw a new mom, baby is 10 weeks, well established with nursing, who is concerned about her supply, is pumping about 4 times/day in addition to nursing and wants to exclusively breastfeed. I recommended that she"cocoon" with her baby for the next 3-4 days, increase fluids, try fenugreek, and decrease her activity, by trying to rest more. When she said that she gets about 5 ounces in the morning, we talked about how resting at night really helps her produce more in the morning, and to apply the same principle to resting during the day if possible. She had never heard of fenugreek, so maybe that will help. What else would anyone who's reading this recommend for her? What has worked for you or other moms that you know? I'll write a blog about her next.

Happy 4th of July, Barb

songbh
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Welcome to the forums "side" of this website, Barb. I just read and commented on your blog entry. If it's easier, you can respond here to the questions I posted there.

For now, I'll just ask: What is leading this mother to be concerned about her milk supply? In other words, why does she think she isn't making enough milk?

Also: you write here that she is pumping 4 times/day and wants to exclusively breastfeed. Does that mean the baby has been receiving supplemental feeds? How much per day?

I'll respond to the suggestions you listed below (and add my own) when I have a clearer picture of her situation.

Erin
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barbdehn wrote:
When she said that she gets about 5 ounces in the morning, we talked about how resting at night really helps her produce more in the morning, and to apply the same principle to resting during the day if possible. She had never heard of fenugreek, so maybe that will help. What else would anyone who's reading this recommend for her? What has worked for you or other moms that you know? I'll write a blog about her next.

First, I would remind her that her baby is much more effective at removing her milk than a pump. I have met many moms who think that, because they can only get 3 oz at a time with a pump, that that's all their baby gets in a feeding as well - not true, and that's a common misconception that would help a lot of moms if they knew.

What makes her think her supply is low? I'd ask her that and try to figure out if it was really low, or if she just had some reason that she felt maybe it was low. If it is only based on that she doesn't get much when pumping, then maybe her supply is fine. But you'd want to ask her exactly what is going on, so if she does have a low supply, it can be helped.

If you can let us know why her supply is low, then maybe people here can offer more specific suggestions. I'd also refer her to an LC who can give her suggestions.

One thing I have heard recommended numerous times is to sleep with her baby - at least with baby in the same room, right next to the bed, if not in it. milk production is highest around 4:00 am or so, and baby's frequent nursing at night (while maybe annoying) is quite helpful in upping the supply... it seems that nature intended it to be that way, that young babies nurse around the clock in order to keep the supply up.

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Three children.

First child, I had no support. I couldn't find a good lactation consultant. I ended uup calling my cousin every day for support. My milk didn't come in for five days, and after that, my daughter wanted to nurse every hour for forty minutes, but she knew what she was doing. My supply built steadily, and she topped the charts at the 97th percentile and stayed there for years. We went through thrush, excrutiatingly painful, bleeding nipples which had me crying at every feeding, and all night nursing sessions when it was time for a growth spurt. Through it all, I reached out to whoever I could for an ear to listen and for more and more ideas. Finally, after two months of great difficulty, breastfeeding became simple. It all clicked. I breastfed my daughter for a year, and she weaned herself with no trauma. During that time, I went back to work and pumped while at work and that was usually enough to feed my daughter for the next day. Sometimes, I would supplement with formula, but not often.

My second daughter had a rough start in the delivery room, and we were spearated for 48 hours. I pumped and lugged myself to the transitional nursery to feed her when I could. She would nurse for 5 minutes each session, and was done. She too hit the 90th percentile for weight and we never had a bad moment with breastfeeding. She nursed for 2 1/2 years. No formula. She would never even take a bottle, and wenrt right to a cup at 6 months.

My last child, I had a c-section. I was on a lot of medication, but I was still able to pump and nurse. My milk took 5 days to come in. Again, I cracked, bled, and went through two months of toe-curling, excrutiating pain with every latch-on. We persevered, and now all is well. He, too, will not take a bottle and so it's all breastfeeding or drinking from a cup.

All my children were large at birth. My supply was very low at first, but with constant nursing via baby-wearing, my supply built up steadily.

Mine is definitely not a story of "born to breastfeed". My children were not naturals at this. It all came very difficultly for me, but it's been worth every second.

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Yes, sleeping with the baby - even just in the same room - is recommended for increasing supply. It is also recommended because children whose crib is in the same room as their parents are 4 times less likely to die from SIDS.

http://www.nd.edu/~jmckenn1/lab/articles/USBC-SIDS-PR-10-17-2005.pdf

Dr. James McKenna has done extensive research on the interconnectedness of mother-baby during sleep.

There is a lot of information on his Univeristy of Notre Dame site.

http://www.nd.edu/~jmckenn1/lab/index.html

When I needed to boost supply, I nursed the baby on demand, sometimes several times in one hour over two or three days. Also, wearing the baby and co-sleeping (in the same room if not necessarily in the same bed) and feeding on demand through the night.

This is what it takes. I don't know if this information is getting out there ahead of time to new mothers, but all new mothers should be educated that babies may need to night feed on demand for at least the first three months. That is what it means to breastfeed. Some babies may sleep through the night, but possibly not until 6-9 months. I know a lot of mothers who were expecting that after the first four weeks, they wouldn't have to breastfeed as often or around the clock. They thought that because they still had to nurse as often at 3 months that they weren't succeeding or that they were doing something wrong. But this is the reality for most of the women I know who were able to breastfeed for longer than just a few weeks.

Also, there are normal growth spurts at specific intervals when baby needs to nurse even more to build supply. Anyone who is trying some sort of Ezzo-like scheduling is, IMO, setting themselves up for failure.

Think of the six months after the birth as the fourth trimester. The baby is out of your body, but your body is still not your own. I honestly have met many, many women who, I think, just had unrealistic expectations when it came to the commitment of time it would take to breastfeed and build supply. But women do it and while taking care of other children.

Also, is supply really low? Count poopy and wet diapers. As long as it's coming out, it's going in. Some lactation consultants will even weigh a baby before and after a feed to determine how much went in.

But again, my best advice is to wear the baby and to nurse on demand. Let the baby use you as a pacifier. Dont look at the clock. Use ice on cracked, bleeding nipples right before latch-on. There is so much more that can be done before supplementing, if that's what a woman wants.

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It's not forever a breastfeeding where there are lots of options.It's preferably good to breastfeeed but if you are experiencing anything bad then i guess you have to change.

mrhealthie
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for me i think breastfeeding is still better than formula milk... because in my case i was a breastfed baby... now that i am older i know breast feeding in my childhood makes me healthy and strong...

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During my breastfeeding experience, I dealt with oversupply, overactive letdown, engorgement, and the occasional plugged duct. I thoroughly enjoyed breastfeeding, and it is one of things I am MOST looking forward to when I have my next baby in the spring!

I have become an avid breastfeeding supporter, and am also a student nurse. I have had the opportunity to meet MANY breastfeeding mothers who have overcome TREMENDOUS challenges to nurse their children. I am always in awe of them, and I commend their incredible dedication and resolve.

I also know that every person is different, and some mothers are simply dealing with too much to be able to successfully overcome breastfeeding challenges. I also know that there is not NEARLY enough breastfeeding support in our society, because formula companies have done such a good job of convincing us that breast milk is the "Gold Standard", rather than the normal way of feeding.

And so, I never look down upon women who feed their babies formula. If they wanted to breastfeed, and couldn't, I feel sad and angry that they and their babies were cheated out of it. If they chose to feed formula without being fully informed, I feel sad and angry that the information wasn't given to them while they were making their decision. If they chose to feed formula through a truly informed decision, then I respect their decision! Although I personally would go to any lengths to breastfeed, I truly believe that not wanting to breastfeeding is a perfectly legitimate reason not to do so, as long as you know what the possible implications are.